|Dec 11, 2012 UPDATE:
We had some down time in the shop, and decided to actually put the Cosmos to the ASTM Machine and see what the exact release values where. We looked at the Cosmos compared to the Scarpa Pegasus, we also looked at old and new Dynafit binding toe pieces, release in tour and ski mode, and multiple releases with the same boots. Here’s what we found:
Garmont Cosmos 25.5:
Binding in Tour Mode (i.e. heel pins not engaged) – Tested at a release value of 62 on the new Dynafit binding toes, and 65 on the older Dynafit toes; both of these values were measured upon the very first twist of the boot. The next twist measured in the mid-50′s, and the third twist fell further to the mid-40′s. After the first three tests of the boot then had a consistent release number in the low 30′s.
Binding in Ski Mode (DIN set at 5) – Tested at a release value of 55+ consistently.
Scarpa Pegasus 26.0:
Binding in Tour Mode (i.e. heel pins not engaged) – The very first twist of this boot registered in the high 30′s. Then was consistently testing in the low 20′s. Findings were about the same with both old, and new Dynafit toes.
Binding in Ski Mode (DIN set at 5) – Tested at a release value of 45+ consistently.
What the numbers mean:
Using a DIN chart you can see the exact release based on user height/weight and boot sole length. I’ve simplified the cart to show only user height and our tested boot sole length (the actual chart is a bit more complicated).
To summarize, the release value of the Cosmos was 1.5 to 2 times higher than the Pegasus when compared in similar tests, regardless of the test. Also of interest is that when in ski mode with the binding DIN set at 5 the Pegasus tested at 4.5-5.5, just about where you wanted the release to be. The Cosmos, however, was releasing at a 6-7.
|Dec. 5, 2012 UPDATE:
Garmont posted a response to Lou Dawson’s video, which essentially stated that they have confidence in their tests of the Cosmos/Celeste and they are not initiating a recall at this time (or in the foreseeable future).
The Cosmos/Celeste was designed as a lightweight boot to be used in conjunction with lightweight – most likely tech-style – bindings. Since we still have reservations about the consistency of release with the Cosmos/Celeste in tech-style bindings, we will no longer be selling the Cosmos or the Celeste, and we will be sending our current inventory back to Garmont.
It is important to note that there have been no known issues with other AT bindings (Fritschi, Marker, Salomon, Atomic, etc.), and the boot does release from tech-style bindings. This is a decision we’ve made based on the lack of consistency and, what we perceive to be, extreme force required to release.
Original Post: Nov. 18, 2013:
Over the last several days there’s been a flurry of conversation around a recent post on WildSnow.com about the new Garmont Cosmos. I won’t go on in depth (watch the video below), but needless to say after seeing the video we were concerned.
We have now tested every Cosmos and Celeste in the store and have found that they all show similar characteristics to what Lou found. We are concerned about the ability of these boots to release appropriately in Tech Bindings, and as a result we have pulled them from our shelves. We have not experienced any issues in the (more limited) testing we’ve done with Marker and Fritschi AT bindings.
There is no recall, our decision is internally motivated. We feel we need some time to be able to inform our staff and customers about the issue so that, should anyone purchase the boots, they are fully aware of the issue. If you purchased a pair of Celeste or Cosmos boots from us and are worried about this issue please bring your boots back into the store with your receipt and we can discuss options to address your concerns.
Tags: Celeste, Cosmos, Dynafit, Garmont, release, Tech Bindings
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